WATER VAPOR (H2O)


WATER VAPOR, BAD FOR CLIMATE?! MOTHER OF ALL LIES!! !

1]Confusion for ‘’water vapor increasing the planet’s temperature’’ arrived from two ‘’deceiving’’ reasons : 1] in humid area, warm-blooded critters (especially human) cannot efficiently discharge the ‘’constantly produced body heat’’ B] In humid area is NOT warmer for the rock, for crocodile, or for the thermometer. C]If you monitor the temp in humid area and compare V other places ‘’on same latitude’’ where is dry climate;  you will see that: ‘’day temp is much  HOTTER’’ where is dryer!

D]Metabolism produces constant heat; to keep the human body at 37C. If outside the body is 25C + the heat produced in the body = perfect. Burning fuel in the body, produces the other 12C. In other words: human body has enough surface area – to waste the extra heat that produces, in a 25C environment; unless physical activity, or too many warm cloths on. In tamp over 25C, human body starts to perspire -> evaporation of sweat / water, is cooling process. E] where is humid  (‘’water vapor’’ in the air)– ‘’evaporation decreases = ‘’BODY’s’’ cooling decreases’’ – body overheats -> gets into panic -> starts to sweat even more; because, if body temp increase from 37C, only by 5C, human is dead on 42C. e]When is humid -> your washing needs 2 days to dry / in dry areas, or dry days; washing dries in 15-20 minutes. The hotter the athlete gets – the colder he / she feels, when spraying with water – evaporation is cooling process; but not in a very humid place.

The good Lord said: let it be, the evaporation to decrease in humid areas, otherwise; in the tropics would have being more water in the air, than in the sea. Deceives the Warmist, but not the coldblooded crocodile. Plenty ‘’water vapor ’ areas are much colder than areas on ‘’SAME LATITUDE’’ without water vapour; for the thermometer. Compare any place of Sahara V Brazil, on SAME latitude. That makes mockery of the contemporary theology. Water vapor &CO2 are the best, for improving the climate; ask the trees for advice; trees are exposed / depend on the climate; unlike the carbon Bashers.

Bottom line:  metabolism contributes 12C to human body heat; 12C + 25C outside temp= 37C, perfect. If room temp / outside is  30C + 12C from metabolic heat = 42C; on 42C body heat,infant can survive, but not a grown up person.  Evaporating sweat prevents overheating / water vapor outside slows / stops sweat evaporating; that’s where the trick for confusion is. If you want to know that: for the thermometer doesn’t make difference / because it doesn’t perspire – in dry climate; to imitate /prevent the sweat evaporation; by putting plastic foil / bag, to cover your skin (lets call it: lid on the pot.Preventing sweat to evaporate; is same effect as putting lid on the pot = the pot boils quicker, not the kitchen) - YOU WILL FEEL MUCH WARMER IN DRYER CLIMATE, on same latitude / altitude; than where is (”water vapor” /humid climate with plastic bag on you; to prevent evaporation!!!

The bottom line is: if you are dead – you would have being ”room temperature” or, same temperature as that log in the backyard, or in that valley. But,  because you are reading this, it means that constantly you are increasing your body temp by12C- 14C, on the top; more than any other objects – that’s what your body thermometer registers / with the 12C – 14C (depends if you are reading or jogging) on the top of the surrounding heat. B] that ”internal combustion” heat produced, allows warmblooded critters to populate cold regions – but it’s a draw-back in hot / humid places; by overheating, if sweat doesn’t evaporate. Confusing ”decreased evaporation” with a phony GLOBAL warming; it’s much more than ”silly”.  Stupidity doubles; when CO2 is included. Because CO2 increases CONDENSATION, CO2 is a rainmaker**. Condensation is for decreasing humidity / water vapor in the air and converting it into dew, rain.   Time to start apologizing to the H2O & CO2 molecules, and to the already duped  /coned / robbed people!

another bottom line: where and when is humid, human feels warmer than coldblooded animals and thermometers; BUT, if it human wasn’t using the body produced heat = every human  would have being dead from hypothermia on the hottest 24h in the year -. Because: when body temp drops below 34C, goodbye to this world. On the other hand; crocodile is not warmed extra in humid area; but can survive at room temp below 34C.

F] in humid areas, nights are warmer; but, NOT DURING THE DAY!!! Because H2O absorbs / maintains for longer heat; than oxygen & nitrogen can. Water vapor makes cooler days / warmer nights; those two factors cancel each other. F] humidity = means clouds; clouds are the ‘’sun-umbrellas’’ for the surface of the land / sea. They intercept big part of the sunlight, 7-8km high up, where cooling is much more efficient. By the laws of physics: heat goes UP / coldness goes DOWN; therefore: heat intercepted high up- never comes to the ground. Then at night; because the proportion in difference of warmth between the ground and upper atmosphere is less – cooling slows ( it’s same rule as with CO2, only is more of H2O in the air). More CO2+H2O in the air = better climate! You compare Sahara V Brazil’s climate: find a place / places that are; Same distance from the equator and polar caps ( same latitude)  SAME altitude’’ You will see what  ‘’WATER VAPOR’’ does for the temperature and CLIMATE! In the process, if you are clever, you might find out; what “water vapor” or absence of it; does for the vegetation, also.

2] second DECEIVING REASON /evidence:

What has given the inspiration that CO2 produces GLOBAL warming is: when gets cloudy – becomes warm and muggy hot. Now, because of that; they are stuck with that: water vapor is GLOBAL warming gas. Nothing to do with any science! The deceiving part: usually, more water evaporates during the day – by the evening, soil hot / the air is saturated with water vapor – creates clouds -> slows down cooling / traps the heat below the cloud for longer. So-far so good; but, if the cloud arrives in the morning -> day is much COOLER!!! With CO2, it doesn’t apply, which time of the day; CO2 stays for 3-7 weeks in the atmosphere. B] if is cloudy for 2-3 days; on the third day; is much cooler,than last year, on the same three days, when was NOT cloudy! That demolishes the shonky theory that: water vapor & CO2 are creating  GLOBAL warming!!!

C] because in the genesis of the GLOBAL warming conspiracy; the ‘’comparing CO2 with H2O’’ – now they are stuck with the misleading mythology; it’s not funny – they have bigger problems than you think. Brazil and Sahara are big enough evidences.

D] water vapor increases the ‘’quantity of the troposphere -> troposphere is same as the radiator on your car – same as increasing the size of your radiator. In other words; vapor doesn’t go more than 8-10km altitude; but by increasing the volume of the troposphere -> O&N go further up -> discharge extra heat / collect extra coldness -> fall down with that extra coldness to the ground and cancel any extra heat / self adjusting mechanism is completely ignored, by both camps. Which means: H2O & CO2 are as bigger ‘’Shade-cloth’’ during the day / sunlight; bigger blanket during the night. That is ‘’milder climate’’ not GLOBAL warming, or GLOBAL cooling. E] in Sahara gets from 3C at night, to 45C day time – in Brazil, on SAME latitude, goes from 20C at night, to 32C at day time. It means: in extreme dry, gets warmer by 30C more, than in extreme humid. But it cools much more in dry climate at night, than in humid areas. It means that: ‘’extra heat in the troposphere is NOT accumulative!!! Otherwise, if cooling was SAME – in Sahara, in one month would have being warmer than in Brazil by 900C. learn about the ‘’self adjusting mechanism’’**

Bottom line: H2O & CO2 in the atmosphere, create ‘’milder climate’’ – doctor’s order for growing bigger, denser and healthier trees; what is wrong with that?! D] if you burn a 5ton tree – would be left 0,5kg of ash / trace elements; the rest, all gone in smoke as CO2 + water vapor. So much about the misleading: less CO2 & water vapor = green. How pathetic! If a scientist cannot see if is greener in Brazil than in Sahara; he is a ‘’Warmist & Fake, contemporary climatologist’’ same goes for their Zombies / followers of the lower genera and IQ. No offence, nothing personal, facts.

Warmist misleading: the term‘’Green Energy’’ is completely misleading. B] who is the clown to guaranty that: 150y ago, day before the industrial revolution was the best amount of CO2 for the trees?! Around Kyoto city, the trees are much healthier, than in Sahara and any other desert. C] On SAME latitude / altitude, where the Australian deserts are – in Burma, Vietnam is rainforest. Because of increase in cultivation of rice for the last 3000 years in S/E Asia – they have healthy vegetation and no bush-fires. In Australia cultivation of rice is treated as the biggest evil; by the evil cult. Nobody has ever silenced a ‘’public secret’’ in the past, and never will!

The simple truth:: If the truth is known, that: ‘water vapor’’ improves the climate -> climate can be improved, on many places; where is mow extreme climate. Deserts are the earth’s wounds; can be healed by some extra dams for saving storm-water – extra water vapor. No, I didn’t mean dams in the desert, but in surrounding areas. Because the ‘’desert’s heatwaves’’ are affecting the vegetation in surrounding areas – in reverse; moisture from surrounding areas can minimize / shrink the deserts and the negative effects from deserts. Simple solutions.

Smoking artillery: because of the misleading that: water vapor is bad for climate:

 Smoking canon # 1: Himalaya’s glaciers are created by the rice paddies in S/E Asia and India. By industrialization of China. India, they might replace those ‘’water vapor’’ producing paddies, with other crops and trees – the glaciers will disappear in less than 10 years – dry / hot air can evaporate the glaciers, without turning them into liquid water first. B]Paddies are producing raw material for renewal of the deficit of the ice; as long as the rice paddies are there = the glaciers will be there forever… because of ‘’water vapor Bashers’’ glaciers are under treat – self fulfilling prophesy, by the cult.

Smoking canon # 2: the same people that are ‘’worrying’’ about the climate; imposed on the Australian government, to buy back farmer’s water for $9 billion, during storms, to be drained into the estuary / into the sea… because Pacific doesn’t have enough water…?! Until now, when some farmers irrigate – produce water vapor in the air – that decreases evaporation in the area – benefits other farms and surrounding vegetation – that attracts extra clouds from the sea = prevents deterioration off the climate. Minus that water vapor – evaporation increases and prepares in distance the vegetation for bigger bushfires. C]surviving farms will need more frequent irrigation / will not get it = they will go belly up. D] Australia already imports food from China – cargo ships walk on water, but drink lots of diesel. E]Australians per capita own much more money to the world’s financiers than the Greeks. When the anarchy starts without food, they will blame the capitalist financiers.

B] Australian deserts produce more and more dry heat – to destroy the ‘’water vapor’’ created in the surrounding waters; which belongs to the Indonesian archipelago, from Port Moresby to Sumatra – already Australian dry heatwaves are occasionally affecting their vegetation as ‘’flame-throwers’’.  Australian Green People will blame the Indonesians and CO2, for deteriorating Indonesian vegetation…

C] most of the time, already west of Australia; in the warm-waters of Indian Ocean is regular; area as the map of Australia, without clouds. (because of the earth spinning eastwards – the dry heat from Australia goes west and destroys the ‘’water vapor’’ west of the continent)  That ‘’water vapor’’ is important to be protected, because::

D]For 8-9 months in a year; when the air becomes too cold above Antarctic – the earth’s centrifugal force is puling that cold / dry air, north ( meteorologist call them the ‘’highs’’) – they keep coming north up to Arafura sea and south Pacific. To avoid creation of vacuum on Antarctic, because of those millions of cubic kilometer of air – from Indian ocean, low level winds travel constantly towards Antarctic – bring ‘’water vapor’’ there; and by freeze-drying, renews the ice. Less ‘’water vapor ’ in Indian ocean; because is destroyed by the Australian dry heat = less ice created every season ‘’AROUND’’ Antarctic continent.

E] I never worry about the amount of ice on Antarctic (Terra firma) – but the winter ice creation around, on Antarctic’s water; is off paramount importance!!! Surprised?! From the north, currents bring warm-water towards Antarctic – by the time gets there, the temp of that surface water drops to +4C to minus  zero. That water goes under the ice for distance – than goes north again. White ice is full of air, as polystyrene is insulating the water from the unlimited coldness in the air. I have given the name of that ice in my book: ‘’the Whale’s White Greenhouse’’ protects in winter the krill / plankton, from the air temp above of minus -50C – 65C. By the laws of physics; heat goes up / coldness goes down; but thanks to that ice, all living critters below are shielded in winter. Less or no ice created, because of ‘’less ‘’water vapor; because of more Australian dry heat produced – ‘’Whale’s White Greenhouse’’ will shrink completely. Thanks to the crocodile tiers of the Green People; because they demand farmer’s water to be repossessed + imposing ‘’no new dams’’ rules – ‘’Green senator Brown’s & Tim Flannery’s Water Embargo on Australia’’

F] on the top of that; ABC is regularly, proudly shoving: how the ‘’CSIRO’s Antarctic Division of Researchers’’ are senselessly, unnecessarily vandalizing that same ice on Antarctic’s ocean / ‘’the Whale’s White Greenhouse’’ by Ice Crusher Ships. Ice is brittle like glass – when many corridors are sliced = the ruff water brakes millions of larger areas chunks of ice = exposing the water to the unlimited coldness in the air. The lunatics are getting paid (including all expenses) by the Australian taxpayers, including ABC’s. that makes every Australian as ‘’involuntary criminal, for financing them. I cannot strongly enough express; the urgency, to stop the vandals!

G] when water is not shielded by ice – absorbs much more coldness = decimates everything living below. B] that extra colder water, currents take north again = colder water = less evaporation -> good for the protagonist; but less evaporation means = less rain in near future in Australia and southern half of Africa. Wildlife in Africa & Australia mummified, or scorched – more people / vegetation  burned in extra intensive bushfires; they will blame CO2 and the phony GLOBAL warming. CO2 is a fire retardant gas, same as water; H2O + CO2 don’t produce fires!!!

Smoking cannon # 3: less water vapor in the air = smaller troposphere

Water vapor doesn’t go up to the edge of the troposphere; but is increasing the volume of the troposphere, by simply increasing the quantity of gases. Smaller troposphere = more extreme temp on the ground. For example: on the moon is no troposphere – gets from 105C at day time, to minus -145C at night. That’s 250C difference between day and night. Which means: smaller troposphere = more extreme temperature between day and night; called: bad climate!!!. B]Water vapor / clouds are the sun-umbrella for the land / sea surface.

Trees can prosper in the tropics and in cold country; but they suffer from ‘’extreme’’ temperatures between day and night – on short period, big change in temp; the water into the trees shrink / expands a lot and trees suffer from ‘’decompression effect’’ Only people that benefit from ‘’extreme climates’’ are the phony GLOBAL warmings protagonist – to cover up for their  misleading ‘’predictions’’ Dams prevent floods and droughts – but protagonist ‘’predicted floods and droughts’’ Same as Arsonist ‘’predicting’’ when is your house going to be on fire… big deal. I call it: ‘’Enforced Prophecy’’  That’s the reason I’m exposing the conspiracy – if people know that: the Desperadoes are setting up bad things intentionally; it will discourage the Conspirators of sabotaging the climate – when people know that: big / small, good / bad climatic changes have nothing to do with any phony GLOBAL warmings. ‘’Enforced Prophecy” = double crimes!

Smoking cannon # 4:

Less “water vapor  in the air (raw material for the renewal of ice on the polar caps) it means: more and more water on the Arctic ocean is exposed to the unlimited coldness. Water absorbs extra coldness – including together with the normal January coldness – with double strength, send much colder air south – that ‘’extra cold air’’ intercepts the moisture south and creates extra snow / blizzards; south in Europe / USA = no raw material, water vapor left; to renew the ice on Arctic – chain reaction has already started. Instead, they use even nuclear powered Ice Crusher Ships; to damage even more of the permanent ice – in the hope that: Arctic’s waters without ice will prove that the phony GLOBAL warming is for real…

2]If one knows exactly; where ice is missing, plus from which point of Arctic-  to where south, the winds blow = can predict where will be more extreme next winter (as it was few months ago in central Europe, year before in Poland, USA… their ‘’back to front science:’’ water vapor bad for the climate’’ is depraving them of any reliable predictions. I have being warning them for few years – but ignored; on the end, they didn’t understand: why with less ice is colder?) They celebrate less ice. But my advises of: less ice covering the waters = colder; is winning. Because I have respect for the laws of physics. Because I never buy the Warmist crap; the way the Fakes do.

Sorry, but you can see; why I’ve run out of Red Carpet, for the Warmist & Co

3] building extra dams -> improves the climate in dry countries; dams prevent floods and droughts. Dams increase humidity -> humidity decreases evaporation on the land. Moisture stays longer in the soil and in the mulch. That attracts extra clouds from the sea on land. That prevents big devastating bushfires. (where are devastating bushfires – in the proximity must be a desert; where the dry heatwaves are created). Dry heat created in the desert, vacuums the moisture from the vegetation in far distances, and is preparing it for big bushfires. Extra moisture from new dams is saturating the dry heat. When is extra ‘’water vapor’’ trees are absorbing moisture from the air = the moisture in the soil stays longer; otherwise, trees vacuum all the moisture from the soil, to protect their leafs off drying from the dry heat. Most of the time, the trees will kill some of their own branches – to decrease lose of moisture -> when fires arrive, fire starts on the dry branches and finishes the tree. Many people, animals die in intensive fires; that makes Warmist & Fakes as ‘Premeditated Mass Murderers’’.

4] without dams, to regulate the floodwater – lots of crops and lives were lost in Pakistan. If it was dams, to collect part of that floodwater – that water would have being improving the climate / vegetation / crops in dry months. That saved water in new dams would have produced clean electricity. Because of the spinning of the planet eastward – that moisture would have being flowing westwards – would have prevented the famine on the Horn of Africa and further west. They talk about human lives lost in droughts; but in the same time wild life and vegetation lost, is not mentioned, or is all blamed on the phony GLOBAL warming – because the offender is the Evil Cult, from both camps. Instead of donating food for famine victims – should be built dams / improves the climate; they can produce in future their own food = it’s same as: giving man a fish – you are feeding him for a day – teaching him how to fish, you are feeding him for life. New dams are a taboo, illegal, for the Evil Cult, from both camps. New dams increase ‘’water vapor = improve the climate’’

5] in Australia, the ‘’SAME’’ Evil Cult; organized the politicians from both sides, to give 9 billion dollars; for repossessing farmer’s water – to drain it into the estuary, during floods – because Pacific doesn’t have enough water…?! ‘’Green climatology’’ turned into Bullshit Mania. On many languages ‘’green’’ was a symbol for ‘’immaturity’’ same as green capsicums, green tomatoes. Green turned red, when matured; now the western Reds, since the fall of the Berlin Wall, they turned Green… the real lunacy began… everything is back to front, with the Evil Cult. ‘’Group Thinking + censorship’’ is for indoctrination & brainwashing, not science.   ‘’Group Thinking + censorship’’ is one’s ADMISSION in not believing in what they are PREACHING.***

Fear not from water vapor, water is live. Humidity does make people to perspire - that cannot be bad. Since the Roman time, people were using saunas – after, Turkish Baths become popular for people’s health.  Today, with obesity epidemic; extra perspiration is highly recommended.

2] when is humidity in the air (water vapor) trees absorb moisture from the air – keep the moisture in the ground for dry days. If no water vapor in the air – trees must pump water from the ground soon after the rain, to prevent leaves from drying (same as; when is humid, takes days to dry your shirt / in dry heat, shirt drys in minutes) tree-leaves are exposed to the sunlight and winds. If trees doesn’t have to pump water from the ground, to protect the leaves = more water stays in the ground, to keep the essential bacteria in the soil alive b] more moisture left for dry days 3] more moisture left in the soil to go into the creeks and rivers and supply clean water. Dry creeks / rivers for few months – it’s not very healthy for the fish and other critters that need water on the land.

Blaming water vapor is extreme brains degradation. Please pas that message to the public. Bashing water vapor, CO2 and methane; are the 3 pillars on which the Warmist castle is built. So, for them being wrong on CO2, you can find all over this blog - recommend reading the page ”CLIMATE” for a start – b]misleading regarding methane is above also ===they don’t have a case; they are not just wrong, but are back to front on just about everything.

why is rising CO2 in the air seen as bad? Why depletion of the essential molecule CO2 is not seen as bad?!

Rain washes the CO2 into the sea, the more of it is – the more it washes down. Coral, algae, shellfish collect CO2 from the water – when they are dead -> get buried and cemented carbon for millions of years in form of limestone… Before the industrial revolution, CO2 was depleted to critically low level for the trees & crops. What’s wrong of having a bit more of it?!!! DOESN’T FIT THE CONTEMPORARY PROPAGANDA!!!

When on the subject of H2O and CO2, please read this informative post:  http://globalwarmingdenier.wordpress.com/seawater-is-getting-too-alkaline/

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16 Responses to WATER VAPOR (H2O)

  1. Thanks for this post Stefan, your explanation of water vapor really helped me with the realization I had of the increasing in CO2 would actually reduce the day time heating due to it blocking IR from the sun, but then increasing Night temps. I was then confused about how water vapor, and how it should do the same thing, but didn’t realize that the reason it feels hotter is because it slows evaporation, making it feel hotter to us. So thank you. My one question though is you mention “With CO2, it doesn’t apply, which time of the day; CO2 stays for 3-7 weeks in the atmosphere.” I’m wondering how this works, as I’ve been told many times in school that CO2 will stay in the atmosphere for anywhere between 5-200 years.

    Thanks,
    Richard

    • Richard, it’s tragic what’s going on now in schools / university… 1] starving vegetation for CO2; gets read of it, as soon as they get their hands on it. same as: the world produces 11 times / 1100% more food now, than 151y ago, but gets eaten. a] the existing trees put few more kilos on, CO2 is their food and quadruples / density in the forest… b] shower / rain washes CO2 from the air (you feel after the rain, air tastes different) c] every farmer will tell you: ”from two inches of rain – the crops grow much better, than from same amount of flood irrigated water (because rain brings the CO2 to the trees / crops; they are stuck to the ground, can’t fly 2 -5km up in the air, to scoop it) d] CO2 condensates humidity = CO2 is a rainmaker, ignored benefit.

      Swindlers scare you that: ”the sea will get acidic from carbonic acid = will kill the coral and everything in the sea- BOO!”…

      Richard, coral, algae in the sea, your body are made, big part of carbon 2] in the city – too much CO2 – plenty people, but they don’t absorb the essential carbon from the air (instead from the bread, sugar) but trees / crops outside are starving for carbon, Experiment: line up 1000 cats of the road – you tide up one sardine to a string and walk between the cats, and monitor – what the cats will do to the sardine – that’s what crops / trees do to CO2….. But they need H2O present in the air also. Same as you don’t consume your carbon as baking powder only; but as from the cake.

      Instead of coral, sea-grass, algae; going up in the sky to collect CO2 – rain washes it into the sea, by turning it into carbonic acid into the water; sea-grass, corals, algae in the water absorb it as ”carbonic acid”, the CARBONIC ACID is their food / same as cake is for you. More carbonic acid = more prolific and healthier corals – more algae in the sea. Those algae, sea-grass are feeding the herbivores = more carnivore fish. Who prefers the opposite, and why?! In the process; coral, algae by consuming the CO2; they keep the carbon for themselves – release the oxygen from it, to replenish the constantly depleted seawater of essential oxygen,

      Richard, if you read every page i have here – you will learn that they are back to front on everything. Socialist are subsidizing the farmer; to sequestrate CO2 in the soil… crops with availability of extra carbon – instantly develop bigger body / biomass – 6months after, fire or fungi, return the same CO2 back into the air. ON THE OTHER HAND; when coral absorbs co2 – keeps the carbon, after the coral is dead, for another 5million years.b] algae in the sea are short, get covered by sediments – new algae grow on the top (the old ones were made from carbon = carbon deficit) c] lots of sewage, organic sediments rivers bring into the sea that get covered and cemented by sediments ( organic sediments, sewage was CO2 in the air, 7 months ago. They know what’s increasing CO2, but not what’s depleting it – because they are into brainwashing, not science)

      CO2 has being depleting for millions of years; starving vegetation is getting a bit extra CO2 now, because of the industrial revolution; with quadruple amount – they will be more prolific. Richard, compare the amount of coal reserves remained V the amount of water in all the oceans. You just tell your friends; to ask me lots of questions – so I will know what you people are interested in

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  3. bwdave says:

    A couple important aspects of the behavior of H2O that seem to get little attention are the latent heats of the two phase changes, and the bouyancy of water vapor in air. For this reason, and the fact that Earth’s surface is ~70% H2O, more heat is absorbed by water at the surface is transported upward; than radiates upward from the surface. At night, when it is cloudy, the condensing water vapor is releasing heat, some of which warms Earth’s surface. This has been incorrectly labled as “back radiation” by the charlatains who proclaimed themselves “climate scientists”.

    CO2 enrichment is a good thing. At present, plants struggle with CO2 depletion.
    There isn’t enough CO2 in the atmosphere to have a noticeable (as opposed to imagined) effect. As can be seen by looking at the temperature profile in the atmosphere Venus, Earth’s temperatures wouldn’t be much different if our atmosphere had two thousand times as much CO2 as at present.

    • bwdave October 1, 2012 at 3:25 pm:

      bwdave, you sound as a straight-shooter to me – interested the truth to be known. That can get you in trouble with the majority of commenters; because the majority from both camps are for silencing the truth. They prefer confusion – clarifying things is their Achilles’s Hill

      On the street is the opposite; no matter one believes or not in the misleading propaganda – they prefer the truth to be known. Don’t give up, time is against the swindlers.

  4. dumboldguy says:

    stefan,

    Just dropping in from my usual lurking at Climate Denial Crocks for a quick look at your website. I want to compliment you on creating the best spoof of a climate denial site that I have ever seen, bar none. Is this really all the work of one person? Or is there a “committee” all chipping in bits of craziness to the effort? Either way, alone or a group, your dedication is awesome! It takes a lot of work to take mankind’s entire body of knowledge in biology, physics, and chemistry and turn it into such an insane joke.

    And I really love the “madman from Eastern Europe with the crazy English” schtick. A nice touch.
    Please post comments and links on Crock from time to time—-considering how grim the truth is about AGW, we need a good laugh over there.

    DOG

    • Welcome old boy – any insult coming from you, I take it as a great compliment.

      If you are genuinely concerned about the ”phony global warming” – when I bring the good news, you should rejoice – instead, you boys get abusive…

      Because in 100y from now, the phony global warming will ad up another 2C…? How old will you be in 100y from today?Old boy, relax so you don’t give yourself a hearth attack, because of a fairy-tale. Relax, come here some day and we go fishing together

  5. donwreford says:

    Most of your article is frankly beyond me, even so in your summary, of this is “propaganda”, what would be the point for this widespread propaganda?

  6. donwreford, welcome

    If you genuinely would like to know: what’s the point of the propaganda; need to read few more posts on this blog – unless you are part of the propaganda machine (if Robert sent you), in that case, you already know why the propaganda is. Sorry I said that, but: your question needs very extensive answer (I’m writing a book on the subject)

    Please read few more posts here, if you are genuinely interested – you’ll get a clear picture. Cheers!!!

    • dumboldguy says:

      stefan,

      Please hurry with the book you’re “writing”, and put me on the list for an advance copy.

      If it turns out to be as non-existent as your first book, you will be a lock to win the 2015 “Writer Of Books That Don’t Exist” award.

  7. dumboldguy says: ”stefan, Please hurry with the book you’re “writing”, and put me on the list for an advance copy”

    Greetings, anything for you old boy! The name of the book is: .”Both Emperors are Naked”

    You people; especially in your Warmist’ camp see the world only in gray – hoping and praying for catastrophes… I see the world as colorful and very ”entertaining” so will be the book.

    When on the subject; I started writing about ”the Phony Sea Acidifycation” – so, would you like to read this post and state your Warmist opinion; so I can use it as my guidance, how the Warmist are shitless scared from the truth. Normal scientific debate is: pointing if something is wrong, and WHY is wrong. Normal Warmist ”scientific debate” is: when they see real proofs that can be replicated in controlled environment, or is in nature -> they abuse, trying to put the person down, or run away, but don’t point what is wrong and why. Yes, occasionally, most of you, same as the ”professor Robert” use:: doesn’t fit ”the Peer Reviewed, Trick” / and ”the established beliefs”:

    I have 17,5 pages on those ”Peer Reviewers” – it’s up to me to prove that: -”those Peers reviewing the Phony Global Warming, which they prefer wrongly to call it ”Climate Change” are the new White Collar Criminals – they should be in a same jail cell as Bernard Madoff, only longer jail therms, because they are squandering more other people’s billions$$ – people go to jail for $1000 bucks! I hope one day will be a judicial inquiry for those ”peer reviewed papers” HOW CAN THEY OVERLOOK SUCH A GROTESQUE MISTAKES.
    Today’s peer reviewing is: ”consulting each other, to tell same lies, not to contradict each other in public” nothing to do with the reality. In the old country we have a saying: -”if you don’t believe him, ask his brother, the other liar”

    Peer reviewer is: opponent, or independent person, is objective and honesty -> checks if every subject can be replicated in the controlled environment, or already is happening in the environment, without any reasonable doubt – if not, points what is wrong and why”

    For example: please ”review” this post for me; as a fanatic Warmist, you won’t be bias on my side – in the same time you can see if you lost capacity to be objective and honest; or, did you already became a ”Collateral Damage” to your own propaganda… You know the old saying: when you tell a lie seven times – after the eight time, even you start believing in it, especially if others believed in your lie…”’
    Anyway, here it is, go for it – get out of your box and broaden your knowledge, review it please:

    http://globalwarmingdenier.wordpress.com/seawater-is-getting-too-alkaline/

    • dumboldguy says:

      Terrific stuff, stefan! Life is too short to spend it reading your every word, but I’m a fast reader and scanned it enough to see that it is chock full of enough science craziness that it meets or exceeds your usual standard. It IS awfully long, as so much of your stuff tends to be. You might try to cut down on the quantity of craziness a bit—-there is so much here that it makes you come off as an actual crazy climate science denier rather than one who is spoofing same. Some dead old guy once said “moderation in all things”—-that’s good advice.

    • dumboldguy, ”peer reviewing is: ”point out what is wrong, and WHY. Instead, you are still suffering from truth phobia…

      2] Yes, because I know limited number of English words to write – I have to use 3 sentences; where ”right to the point” can be done in one – but, there are people that can speak correctly English.

      b] you are saying that ”I have written too much” Well I have only a dozen posts in nearly 3 years – other people put 3 posts a day, more in a week than me in 3 years – well their is for indoctrination / brainwashing, nothing to do with reality. I can prove every subject that I’m saying, opposite than your Warmist & Skeptic’s brainwashing. You were not able to point to one single subject that I’m wrong – as a hardcore Warmist, that’s real ”peer reviewed” Thanks and Cheers!!!

  8. dumboldguy says: ”stefan, Please hurry with the book you’re “writing”, and put me on the list for an advance copy”

    Old boy, I need your advice, here are the choices: my neighbor told me yesterday: -”you must put on your book’s cover the photo where ice is falling from the cliff” 2] until now I intended to put on the cover a photo where the ”smog” is coming out of the cooling towers on the coal powered power station.
    To elaborate on both subjects, for better understanding: :

    #1:when ice gets ”colder” it expands and a bit falls off the cliff b] if some small amount of ice on the surface is melted because of pollution – that cold-water sinks into the ice and refreezes ( cold-water of 4C (39F) when freezes, it ”expands” by 11% – if many square miles of ice, 11% is a lot, to regularly push some ice off the cliff. c] ice on the bottom is airless and compressed /very ”slippery, viscosity is as good as in engine oil” => slides down towards the cliff and some chunks get pushed off the cliff – perfectly normal process, always happened and always will. Using ”falling” as ”melting” even my English is better than that… Why are they doing that, are they so dumb? If it’s a ”Poe” it’s a dumb Poe! What’s the motif?!?!
    (it only proves that: the shonks get too much taxpayer’s $$$ and too much free time, to seat there and wait a chunk of ice to be pushed down, so they can photograph it, to con the people)

    #2: regularly they show on TV coal powered power plants. Instead of zooming on the chimneys to show the CO2 coming out; unfortunately CO2 is almost invisible, and the wind high up disperses it – most of the time they don’t even show the openings of the chimneys- instead: they ”zoom on the cooling towers” That smog coming out from the cooling towers looks terrible… sometimes they even superimpose darker color on that smog… very scary…

    Fortunately, that ”terrible smog” is made 100% from H2O, not from CO2!!!!…
    Which makes the shonky Warmist so ignorant = stupid Poe… You see: those ”cooling towers” are always full with water – > they release the hot water vapor from the boilers / turbines, into those cooling towers – to keep the water at 90C (194F) as you can appreciate: it’s easier to heat that already hot water when it gets into the boilers; than to take water direct from the creek, or dam, which is less than 20C; because engineers are clever people, to save on coal. Scaring the people with that steam, which is the purest distilled water, is the stupidest con => if they had any real proofs, they wouldn’t have being showing to the people that crap as those two things. So: when people on the street are pointed the truth -> then they watch those things on TV again -> they ask themselves: do those Warmistas have anything reliable at all, anything?! P.s: after a new coal powered power plant is built – in the area the vegetation IMPROVES; because trees get extra CO2 plus extra humidity from those ”cooling towers”. … there is nothing ”green” about you, the Warmistas… Please give me honest advice: cooling towers, OR chunk of ice from the cliff?

    • dumboldguy says:

      Go with #2. Even the most science-illiterate will see that you’ve overreached with your “crazy science” in #1. But then again, since the whole point is to mock climate change deniers, .maybe you SHOULD go with #1, since it is so crazy. Best advice? Go with both and do a “split screen” cover—you can even get THREE pics on there. Maybe the third pic could be of the devastation wrought by Hurricane Sandy? You could make the case that it was all a huge hoax staged by the warmists, or even if it DID happen, it had no connection to AGW.

    • dumboldguy,
      the idea was: instead of what the neighbor, or me wanted – your saying would have two to one and that photo would end up on the cover.
      Anyway, one of those will be inside or on the back cover, and inside for both will be explanations. Because falling ice from the cliff is ”the biggest and most reliable proof” to be regular shown on TV and newspapers for many years – will be given 4 guesses to the public: #1: why no ”researcher” stuck the thermometer into that fallen chunk of ice and see that the temp of it is minus – 25C (-13F) then ask the kids in the school to tell him that: -”ice’ ”STARTS” melting when the ”ice” temp is one degree above zero centigrade (1C) (33,8F) ?!

      2] because they did know that was a big lie; what was the ”intention” for scaring?
      3] because that is Warmist the best and most reliable proof; people to guess: how reliable are the other 1000 informations that come from the polar caps?!

      Regarding hurricane Sandy, Katrina and others: hurricanes, cyclones are made from H2O + O2 + N2; winds and rain, nothing to do with CO2. If you don’t want hurricanes, tornadoes and cyclones = all you have to do is: get read of water, oxygen and nitrogen, like on the moon is no hurricanes and tornadoes, because no H2O +N2+O2, there

      Ingredient for all those natural phenomenas comes from the deserts. All deserts on the planet were made by human inventing how to make artificially fire, by rubbing two sticks of wood. Now human has diesel and bulldozer an pipes- to introduce water in the deserts and minimize those natural events. IF my brilliant science is new to you – is because: the shonky ”researchers” are obsessed with molesting the CO2, instead of discovering the truth and IMPROVING the climate. Water controls the climate! Please repeat after me:

      ”What do we want?!!! Climate change!!! When do we want it?! NOW!!!”
      ”What do we want?!!! Climate change!!! When do we want it?! NOW!!!”

      very good, keep repeating that and you will be doing something constructive!

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